Paso tires one more time.
- higgy
- paso grand pooh-bah
- Posts: 3334
- Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:50 pm
- model: 907 I.E.
- year: 1992
- Location: Hilltown,Pennsylvania
- Contact:
Re: Paso tires one more time.
All you folks making basic changes to you front end geometry or getting ideas from watching them, Please be very careful when changing geometry of your Paso it changes the weight distribution and quickness of your steering. There is a point where you risk first hand experience of a two wheel death rattle. And let me tell you from personal experience,you don't ever want to go there. What is a death rattle? it is the point where your handle bars will oscillate lock to lock faster than you would believe is possible and it most often occurs at low speeds, 35 to 45 mph(56kmh to 72kmh) It will break you steering locks at about the time you say OH Shit! And then you will get high sided. It is the main reason 16 inch tires are gong by the way side. It is a simple matter of the laws of physics,
By the way Bridge stone tire are very durable and have great traction.
By the way Bridge stone tire are very durable and have great traction.
Ducati,making mechanics out of riders since 1946
There's no problem so bad that a little fixing can't make it worse! : )
If it ain't broke keep fixin it till it is
88 750
90 906
92 907ie
There's no problem so bad that a little fixing can't make it worse! : )
If it ain't broke keep fixin it till it is
88 750
90 906
92 907ie
- jcslocum
- paso grand pooh-bah
- Posts: 1714
- Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:00 am
- model: 750 Paso
- year: 1988
- Location: Eastern Shore, MD
- Contact:
Re: Paso tires one more time.
We call that a tank-slapper. Been thru a couple. Very scary!!
-
- Posts: 194
- Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:57 pm
- model: 907 I.E.
- year: 1992
- Location: Arlington, Massachusetts USA
Re: Paso tires one more time.
Speaking of front end conversions, the Prez of our regional club just posted this (maybe you've seen this before, though ...)
Here's a link to a guy who rebuilt a 750 Paso with a GSXR front end and 17" wheels. Pretty cool, mostly of interest to Kurt I think
http://desmobalear.es/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=234&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Last edited by Kurt on Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Kurt
- paso750
- paso grand pooh-bah
- Posts: 5560
- Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:00 am
- model: 750 Paso
- year: 1987
- Location: southern Germany
Re: Paso tires one more time.
yes we did, just go one page back
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8g2p56o ... re=related
Btw. if you know what you`re doing, most forks can be lenghtened a bit.
G.
like this, ok it`s not at low speed - ouchit is the point where your handle bars will oscillate lock to lock faster than you would believe is possible and it most often occurs at low speeds,
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8g2p56o ... re=related
Btw. if you know what you`re doing, most forks can be lenghtened a bit.
G.
- spaynenda
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 12:00 am
- model: 750 Paso
- year: 1988
- Location: San Diego
Re: Paso tires one more time.
Having just watched the video clip, I wonder if #34 could have stopped the shakes by getting back on the gas? Not sure I'd have the presence of mind to do it myself, but just wondered.
My Paso has had the tendency to do this somewhat when I take my hands off the bars under certain relatively low speed conditions.
I have now fitted a new Pirelli 120/80V16 front tire along with the NOS Michelin M59 160/60x16 rear I found at the Mid-Ohio VMD swap meet, and suspect the steering may be a little slower, due to the taller rolling radius. I'll report back when I ride it next.
My Paso has had the tendency to do this somewhat when I take my hands off the bars under certain relatively low speed conditions.
I have now fitted a new Pirelli 120/80V16 front tire along with the NOS Michelin M59 160/60x16 rear I found at the Mid-Ohio VMD swap meet, and suspect the steering may be a little slower, due to the taller rolling radius. I'll report back when I ride it next.
Make it a good day,
Sheldon
'88 Paso
'62 200 GT
'78 Laverda 3CL Jarama
'84 Laverda RGS 1000
Sheldon
'88 Paso
'62 200 GT
'78 Laverda 3CL Jarama
'84 Laverda RGS 1000
- higgy
- paso grand pooh-bah
- Posts: 3334
- Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:50 pm
- model: 907 I.E.
- year: 1992
- Location: Hilltown,Pennsylvania
- Contact:
Re: Paso tires one more time.
If in fact it is a tank slapper there is a chance hitting the gas will help( the video was of a tank slapper) if you are able,in a death rattle your hands are no longer holding onto anything of use. When I had my experience with the death rattle on an 84 750 interceptor back in 1986 I was holding on to my rs clip on and master cylinder complete with stainless steel brake line when they scooped me off the highway and put me in the ambulance to spend the next 3 weeks learning about chest tubes and morphene and the kind of surgery they don't dare put you out for.. Now just to make a point I had two steering dampners installed at the time.I was 200 lbs of muscle and could press 100 lbs with either arm for 50 reps at any time. All I did was move the fork up one inch( yes just a mere 24.5 mm) in the tree and put on the clip ons under the top tree and went to get gas on a sunday.
Ducati,making mechanics out of riders since 1946
There's no problem so bad that a little fixing can't make it worse! : )
If it ain't broke keep fixin it till it is
88 750
90 906
92 907ie
There's no problem so bad that a little fixing can't make it worse! : )
If it ain't broke keep fixin it till it is
88 750
90 906
92 907ie
- Jaffa
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:40 am
- model: 907 I.E.
- year: 1991
- Location: Canberra, Australia
Re: Paso tires one more time.
Suzuki actually purpose built some lovely machines in the '80s that did this on demand called a GSX1100EFE.
I was one of the lucky ones to actually buy one.
Jaffa
I was one of the lucky ones to actually buy one.
Jaffa
Jaffa
'91 907ie (RED)
'78 900 Darmah (RED) (now BLACK and lookin' goooooood)
'82 900 Mike Hailwood Replica
_________________________________
Volvo aware Motorcyclist
'91 907ie (RED)
'78 900 Darmah (RED) (now BLACK and lookin' goooooood)
'82 900 Mike Hailwood Replica
_________________________________
Volvo aware Motorcyclist
Re: Paso tires one more time.
Higgy, you refer to a big shimmie? At the moment I feel the bike very steady. I considered to install the original steering damper from this forks but now I think it isn't necessary. I have 200 kms only with this modifications and I have still to adjust the forks and the rear shock better, to do a definitve test.
This modification is, efectively, a big variation of Paso's geometry, but many simple things like change a tire sizes (130/70, 150/80, 120/80...) area big variation too .
This modification is, efectively, a big variation of Paso's geometry, but many simple things like change a tire sizes (130/70, 150/80, 120/80...) area big variation too .
70 hp. can change the world
Re: Paso tires one more time.
I had a tank slapper at low speed on my at the time new GPZ 550 that put me on the ground (fortunatley only my pride was hurt) and later had a slapper on a GS1100E at high speed. both bikes were in good mechanical shape and unaltered. the point is all bikes are capable of tank slappers in the right conditions (food for thought) John
Re: Paso tires one more time.
Pompone, did you change the reat fork to fit a 17 inch wheel?
Arnout
Arnout
- paso750
- paso grand pooh-bah
- Posts: 5560
- Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:00 am
- model: 750 Paso
- year: 1987
- Location: southern Germany
Re: Paso tires one more time.
no he didn`t. Check the pictures.
G.
G.